{"id":1300,"date":"2023-11-27T00:13:48","date_gmt":"2023-11-27T00:13:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/heardandempowered.org\/?p=1300"},"modified":"2023-12-08T01:10:37","modified_gmt":"2023-12-08T06:10:37","slug":"episode-4-podcast-with-rebekah-grieb","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/heardandempowered.org\/episode-4-podcast-with-rebekah-grieb\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode #4 Podcast with Rebekah Grieb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lpaoqoyt-d72461cf40db5683f0f73db4d011b704\">\n.avia-section.av-lpaoqoyt-d72461cf40db5683f0f73db4d011b704{\nbackground-repeat:no-repeat;\nbackground-image:url(https:\/\/heardandempowered.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Slider-Background-Orange_1.png);\nbackground-position:50% 50%;\nbackground-attachment:scroll;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='av_section_1'  class='avia-section av-lpaoqoyt-d72461cf40db5683f0f73db4d011b704 main_color avia-section-no-padding 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itemprop=\"text\" ><p style=\"text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/link.chtbl.com\/000\"><strong>Listen on your preferred platform<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div><div  class='flex_column av-xfamw-b03d87bbb45626d09469160d3c669baa av_one_fourth  avia-builder-el-13  el_after_av_three_fourth  avia-builder-el-last  flex_column_div  '     ><style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lpavyx44-388835554d448dee1a7f774bcf032d58\">\n#top .av_textblock_section.av-lpavyx44-388835554d448dee1a7f774bcf032d58 .avia_textblock{\nfont-size:20px;\ntext-align:right;\n}\n<\/style>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lpavyx44-388835554d448dee1a7f774bcf032d58 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock av_inherit_color'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"\/episode-4-podcast-with-rebekah-grieb\/#transcript-rebekah\">Episode Transcript<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div><div id='av_section_3'  class='avia-section av-ja53e0-bf57feb40e981cd5550829af327b5b0f main_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-15  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap sidebar_right'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-small alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-1300'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div  class='flex_column av-gqpk0o-a2819c025666febdd6e3bcd8075fce61 av_one_full  avia-builder-el-16  avia-builder-el-no-sibling  first flex_column_div  '     ><p>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lpbwzdw3-5067057efb9891b5e191787dde2dcd81\">\n#top .av-special-heading.av-lpbwzdw3-5067057efb9891b5e191787dde2dcd81{\nmargin:0 0 0 0;\n}\nbody .av-special-heading.av-lpbwzdw3-5067057efb9891b5e191787dde2dcd81 .av-special-heading-tag .heading-char{\nfont-size:25px;\n}\n#top #wrap_all .av-special-heading.av-lpbwzdw3-5067057efb9891b5e191787dde2dcd81 .av-special-heading-tag{\npadding:0 0 0 0;\n}\n.av-special-heading.av-lpbwzdw3-5067057efb9891b5e191787dde2dcd81 .av-subheading{\nfont-size:15px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='av-special-heading av-lpbwzdw3-5067057efb9891b5e191787dde2dcd81 av-special-heading-h1 blockquote modern-quote  avia-builder-el-17  el_before_av_textblock  avia-builder-el-first  heading-color'><h1 class='av-special-heading-tag'  itemprop=\"headline\"  >Show Notes<\/h1><div class=\"special-heading-border\"><div class=\"special-heading-inner-border\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lpbwzyh4-ed1be6aa88593d8690e6bb07905d44e3\">\n#top .av_textblock_section.av-lpbwzyh4-ed1be6aa88593d8690e6bb07905d44e3 .avia_textblock{\ntext-align:left;\n}\n<\/style>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lpbwzyh4-ed1be6aa88593d8690e6bb07905d44e3 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock av_inherit_color'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p><strong>Ep #4: How to Find Your Path and Career Opportunities When You\u2019re Losing Your Vision with Rebekah Grieb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Get ready to embark on a compelling and empowering journey of triumph over workplace challenges this week, as Dr. Hoby Wedler is joined by Rebekah Grieb, an Employee of the Year nominee at the NIB conference in Washington D.C. Rebekah works as a stage manager and mentor at Alphapointe, a multi-faceted organization for people experiencing vision loss, where she has the chance to assist other BVI folks in working towards their own success story. She joins Hoby this week to share more about her work, as well as her own inspiring journey of professional success.<\/p>\n<p>Despite holding a college degree, Rebekah worked in several positions that failed to reflect her true value. Seeking a more challenging role, she started her career at Alphapointe by initially working overnight shifts and logging into the call center after rehearsals at the theater. In detailing her day-to-day tasks, Rebekah shares job advice, the challenges she encountered to get to where she is now, as well as her ongoing efforts to hire more blind and visually impaired individuals to do remote work (work from home) with better-paying salaries to live and thrive on.<br \/>\nTune in this week to discover the impactful work Rebekah does and her path to a position where she can create real change. Learn how taking the big step of joining the workplace has significantly changed Rebekah\u2019s life for the better. Listen as she shares the feeling of empowerment that comes from earning that well-deserved money, and hear her encouraging words for BVI people contemplating a shift from social security income to active job searching.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What You\u2019ll Learn:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Rebekah\u2019s path to a position where her skills are recognized at their true value.<\/li>\n<li>How family members can be a support system during the transformative process of moving from social security income to active job searching.<\/li>\n<li>Rebekah\u2019s advice on transitioning from social security income to the workplace.<\/li>\n<li>How to provide loving support to a member of the BVI community thinking about taking that step.<\/li>\n<li>The empowerment that can come through employment and how Rebekah\u2019s job changed her perspective of herself.<\/li>\n<li>How Rebekah\u2019s family coped with her putting herself out in the workplace.<\/li>\n<li>Rebekah\u2019s perspective on disclosing her blindness during the hiring process.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Featured on the Show:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.alphapointe.org\/\">Alphapointe<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Rebekah Grieb: <a href=\"mailto:rgrieb@alphapointe.org\">Email<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/section><\/p><\/div>\n\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><!-- close content main div --><\/div><\/div>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lpbxts23-3362630311b6790642d4bbe009eefd20\">\n.avia-section.av-lpbxts23-3362630311b6790642d4bbe009eefd20{\nbackground-color:#e5e5e5;\nbackground-image:unset;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div id='av_section_4'  class='avia-section av-lpbxts23-3362630311b6790642d4bbe009eefd20 main_color avia-section-default avia-no-border-styling  avia-builder-el-19  el_after_av_section  el_before_av_section  avia-bg-style-scroll container_wrap sidebar_right'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-small alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-1300'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n<div  class='flex_column av-g00oyw-bc76dfbac119b5314a504840e165ba0a av_three_fifth  avia-builder-el-20  el_before_av_two_fifth  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div  '     ><p>\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lpbx0cl5-288c7f505875b3a79ff3a703627b4874\">\n#top .av-special-heading.av-lpbx0cl5-288c7f505875b3a79ff3a703627b4874{\nmargin:0 0 0 0;\n}\nbody .av-special-heading.av-lpbx0cl5-288c7f505875b3a79ff3a703627b4874 .av-special-heading-tag .heading-char{\nfont-size:25px;\n}\n#top #wrap_all .av-special-heading.av-lpbx0cl5-288c7f505875b3a79ff3a703627b4874 .av-special-heading-tag{\npadding:0 0 0 0;\n}\n.av-special-heading.av-lpbx0cl5-288c7f505875b3a79ff3a703627b4874 .av-subheading{\nfont-size:15px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='av-special-heading av-lpbx0cl5-288c7f505875b3a79ff3a703627b4874 av-special-heading-h1 blockquote modern-quote  avia-builder-el-21  el_before_av_textblock  avia-builder-el-first  heading-color'><h1 class='av-special-heading-tag'  itemprop=\"headline\"  >About Rebekah Grieb<\/h1><div class=\"special-heading-border\"><div class=\"special-heading-inner-border\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-lpbxgvlu-22df0d32b82a690eb996441b13e79010\">\n#top .av_textblock_section.av-lpbxgvlu-22df0d32b82a690eb996441b13e79010 .avia_textblock{\ntext-align:left;\n}\n<\/style>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-lpbxgvlu-22df0d32b82a690eb996441b13e79010 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock av_inherit_color'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p>Rebekah joined Alphapointe as a teleservices representative in June 2017 and was promoted to contract management support (CMS) specialist for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in 2018.<\/p>\n<p>Promoted to CMS site supervisor in March 2022, Rebekah oversaw the transition of the CMS team from an in-office work environment to a completely remote style of working. 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She\u2019s not going to, you know, we\u2019re going to have to do all this special stuff for her. And it\u2019s like, no, my blindness does not affect my brain. It doesn\u2019t affect my work ethic. It doesn\u2019t affect my problem-solving and my deductive reasoning. It just affects my vision.<\/p>\n<p>Welcome to the Heard and Empowered podcast presented by National Industries for the Blind. You\u2019re not just a listener here, you\u2019re a catalyst for change. Whether you\u2019re blind, visually impaired or an ally, this is your ultimate resource for building a fulfilling career and an enriching life. We\u2019re on a mission to shift perceptions, open hearts and minds and unlock unparalleled job opportunities for the BVI community.<\/p>\n<p>Ready to be heard and empowered? Let\u2019s welcome our host, Dr. Hoby Wedler.<\/p>\n<p>This is a special episode recorded at the 2023 National Industries for the Blind Conference in Washington DC. Please excuse any audio quirks as we capture these conversations, but we guarantee the wisdom is pure gold.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Welcome back to the Heard and Empowered Podcast. Today, I\u2019m so honored to be chatting with Rebekah Grieb, who is an employee of the year nominee at the 2023 National Industries of the Blind Conference. Rebekah, welcome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah<\/strong>: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> It\u2019s so great to chat with you. I would love to hear a little bit about your background and tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got to where you are now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Okay. Well, I have been working at Alphapointe for six years now. I am visually impaired, and it\u2019s a gradual loss of my vision. And so it\u2019s been quite the journey over the years. So I started out playing sports and driving and doing all of the things. I come from a very sports oriented family. And then when we kind of figured out that I was going to start losing my vision, that was quite a shift in how the future was going to play out.<\/p>\n<p>And so I actually got into theater because of that, and then pursued that in college. And then after college, I worked for a few years. But as my vision started to get worse, it became harder to work in the private sector without any adaptive technology or assistive things. And so actually, I was unemployed for a few years.<br \/>\nAnd then I learned about Alphapointe. And so I actually started by going through the rehab program, getting to learn how to use adaptive technology on the computer and learning how to use a cane. I learned braille through that. And then a job became open and so I started as an employee at Alphapointe and I\u2019ve kind of moved up through the department since then.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> That\u2019s incredible. I love that journey. And I can hear you\u2019ve got such a great speaking voice. I\u2019m sure a lot of that comes from the theater work that you did.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> From theater, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Was it mostly musical theater?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Exactly. Yes, live theater. And I actually am on the technical side. So I\u2019m a stage manager for musicals throughout the year at community theaters throughout Kansas City.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I love that. I love that. So you still, you\u2019ve kept that interest up. I love that. And you haven\u2019t let your visual impairment stop you from doing that at all.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Correct. Yep, I just surrounded myself with the right people that were willing to adapt with me and work with me and figure it out. And they decided they were willing to work with the blindness to get me to be the stage manager. They wanted my organizational skills and my being very detail-oriented and things like that. And you need that in the creative world as well. Somebody\u2019s got to keep all those creatives on track. So that\u2019s kind of what I do.<\/p>\n<p>And we actually started a mentorship program so that we can mentor the next generation of technical people. There\u2019s plenty of stuff for actors out there, but there\u2019s not always a lot of stuff, unless you actually pursue it as a career, to learn the technical side of things. And so we started a mentorship program for that at one of the theaters in Kansas City.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I love that. And you do some of the mentoring yourself?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yep, I am the stage manager mentor. Yeah. So a couple years ago was our first time, we did Spongebob the musical at Theater in the Park, which is actually one of the largest outdoor theaters in the country. And then we\u2019re going to do it again this year with Sister Act.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Two of my favorite shows. I love that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> A lot of fun.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> That is incredible. That\u2019s phenomenal. And let\u2019s just fast forward a little bit. So one of the things that I think is so important is that we have these amazing mentors in our life that we can learn from that maybe see a path for us to take before we see it for ourselves. And when you can pay that back \u2013 I\u2019m sure you\u2019ve had some great mentors, and if you want to tell us about some of those in a second or some of the opportunities that you\u2019ve gained as someone who happens to have a visual impairment from just watching and being with other people.<\/p>\n<p>But it\u2019s just so great that you can pay that back as a mentor of fellow stage managers, whether blind or sighted, it doesn\u2019t matter.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Right. Well, the world is going to try to limit us, and so we can\u2019t then also limit ourselves. And so it\u2019s so important to make sure that we\u2019re still doing the things that we enjoy and pursuing those things, and surrounding ourselves with the people that are going to support and encourage us. There\u2019s been a couple of times where I thought maybe I\u2019m done stage managing, as my vision has gotten worse. And quite honestly, my other production staff members won\u2019t let me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I love that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> They won\u2019t let me quit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I love it. I love it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> And so I enjoy that I got to kind of move into more of a mentorship role because sometimes with the technical side of things, there\u2019s only one stage manager, one director, one choreographer. And so you don\u2019t work with other people in the same position, so you can\u2019t recommend people if you turn down a show. And so it\u2019s great to be able to know for sure that you\u2019re recommending somebody that knows what they\u2019re doing and that you\u2019ve seen them actually do it and they\u2019ve learned it correctly.<br \/>\nAnd when I first started out, at some of the larger theaters there was definitely some hesitancy when the director would say, yeah, my stage manager, she\u2019s visually impaired. And they\u2019re like, wait, what? And they\u2019re like, I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s going to work. And it\u2019s like, no, let her prove you wrong. And that\u2019s what I enjoy doing, is proving people wrong and proving that they can\u2019t limit me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> So just give me the opportunity. I may not do it the same way, but isn\u2019t the important thing the result? And everyone does things slightly different, whether you can see or not. You have to adapt the process to what works best for you. We all process things differently, we think differently, we work differently. Just because my vision is different, doesn\u2019t mean that I can\u2019t find my own way to do it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t it crazy how so often society holds such low expectations, that if we say, oh, by the way, I\u2019m blind, or, oh, I\u2019m visually impaired, they come to the conclusion, and I think a lot of it is fear-based.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I think so much of it is that they can\u2019t imagine themselves in that position, so it\u2019s just really scary in many ways. And I love that mentality that you\u2019re exuding, which is you want to just show them. Just give me a chance, right? That\u2019s what I\u2019ve found as a blind guy, too. It\u2019s like, if you just give me a chance to show you what I can do, and I\u2019ll teach you. You can teach me about stage managing, and I\u2019ll teach you what I can do and what it\u2019s like to work with a blind person.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Exactly. And it\u2019s a great opportunity because, let me tell you, I don\u2019t come across very many other blind people in live theater. And so I may be the biggest exposure to a lot of those people, the actors, the other production staff. They may not be around very many visually impaired people in their regular lives, and so it\u2019s also an opportunity.<\/p>\n<p>When we\u2019re doing things with other blind organizations or we\u2019re doing things at work, yes, we can learn from each other, and we all are blind differently. That\u2019s something I even learned as I became more visually impaired, is the normal thing to think is blind is blind. And that\u2019s just not true. Like, it\u2019s so not true. We\u2019re all blind in different ways, we have different symptoms, and so then we also have different processes, even within being blind.<\/p>\n<p>And so I think it\u2019s a great kind of exposure for some of those people in the theater community. Because there\u2019s always times, even just walking out in public when I\u2019m with a sighted friend, they get so upset about the people that react weirdly when they see the cane. And it\u2019s like, what\u2019s your problem? And I always use the example of two different kid parent interactions that I\u2019ve heard while being out in public. The first one was when the kid asked, \u201cMom, why does she have that stick?\u201d And the mom shushed her. And I\u2019m like, you just made it taboo. You just made something wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Whereas the more recent interaction I had is I actually heard a mom initiate it and say to their kid, \u201cHey, look. Do you see that she has that cane? That means that she can\u2019t see very well and so that cane helps her get around.\u201d And I\u2019m like, thank you, thank you. That\u2019s what you need to do, is educate, so it\u2019s not a big deal. It\u2019s not weird. It\u2019s not taboo.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> We\u2019re just two normal people, who happen to be blind or visually impaired, having a chat.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Right. Exactly. And it\u2019s amazing, in those three years that I was unemployed I\u2019d get the interview, I\u2019d get the phone interview, they\u2019d really like me. And then you go in person and it\u2019s like they freak out. And it\u2019s like nothing changed in my brain between my phone interview and meeting you in person. And you don\u2019t know about the adaptive technology, so let me tell you how I can do this job because I applied to this job because I think I can do this job. And I can tell you how to help me do that job.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Let\u2019s explore the topic here of to disclose or not to disclose. And different places I\u2019ve done both. So what was your tactic?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Well, I did the whole disclosures at the end where it\u2019s kind of lumped in with also are you a veteran, are you this? I went ahead and did it because I do need that adaptive technology. I use invert, zoom and VoiceOver, but I can still see some. I can sometimes bump my nose on my computer screen. Sometimes I can see it, but other times it is just easier to use the VoiceOver or the invert. And I learned about all of that technology through Alphapointe using zoom text, and things like that.<\/p>\n<p>And so many private companies or companies that haven\u2019t dealt with it, why would they know that that technology is out there? Because they don\u2019t need it, they don\u2019t use it. And so they just assume, oh, she\u2019s going to be slow. She\u2019s not going to, you know, we\u2019re going to have to do all this special stuff for her. And it\u2019s like, no, my blindness does not affect my brain. It doesn\u2019t affect my work ethic. It doesn\u2019t affect my problem solving and my deductive reasoning. It just affects my vision.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> It\u2019s funny, during the pandemic I would often intentionally make zoom calls without my video on. The reason for doing that is to say, hey, let\u2019s all be on the same playing field.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Exactly, yes. Yeah, I was on a board of directors for a theater when Covid happened, and we had to go remote. And I was like, you know what? This is a little unfair, y\u2019all can see each other\u2019s facial expressions and I can\u2019t. So how about we all do it to where we\u2019re on the same playing field here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I love it. I love it. No, I think that\u2019s fantastic. I want to jump, just for a minute, to your role with Alphapointe. And what do you do with Alphapointe in terms of the job that you do day to day and how do you feel about that? It\u2019s amazing to be employed, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Absolutely, yes. Yeah, especially after being unemployed and then having jobs that I knew I was worth more. I went to college. I got a degree. I know I\u2019m smart. I know that I can do these things. And so to be undervalued purely because I\u2019m visually impaired sucks. It\u2019s not right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Yeah, it\u2019s terrible.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> And it\u2019s like, wait a minute, so just because that person can see, but they\u2019re not as smart as me, they get paid more? That doesn\u2019t make any sense. And so when I started at Alphapointe it was really, I mean, it was a God thing. It was pure chance that I was actually going in for a marketing thing for rehab. And I was still unemployed, and they were like, hey, let\u2019s walk on over to the call center and see if they have any openings.<\/p>\n<p>And it just happened that the manager of the call center wasn\u2019t in her office right then. It actually turned out to be a good thing. So then we just walked on over to her boss, who was also over the contract management services department. And he said, \u201cWell, do you have a college degree?\u201d I said yes. And he\u2019s like, actually, we just had an opening come up in CMS. Which is a better paying position. It\u2019s better for using my education and my brain because I got so tired of doing jobs where I wasn\u2019t using my brain. I\u2019m like, yeah, it\u2019s a paycheck, but it\u2019s not challenging me. I\u2019m not learning anything, I\u2019m just doing it.<\/p>\n<p>And so, of course, with the contract management position, we work on federal contracts, so you have to have a security clearance. And so sometimes that can take six months, sometimes it can take a year. So mine, unfortunately, took a year.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> You mean the government doesn\u2019t work fast?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> What? I know, I know, paperwork. But it worked out. And so actually, just to get on with Alphapointe while my clearance was going through, I did pull some overnight shifts in the call center from home, which was great because what I\u2019d do is I\u2019d go to rehearsal, get out at 10, and then hop on the computer at 11.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Exactly. There you go, a cup of coffee later and you\u2019re good to go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yeah, I just flipped my schedule a little bit for a year. And then I got on with the CMS department as a contract closeout specialist. And I did that for about five years. And so what we do is, by the time the contracts get us, everything is supposed to be done. So the product or the service is supposed to have been completed, shipped, supposed to have been invoiced and paid for. But, of course, by that point all the people on the contract don\u2019t care about it anymore because their part is done.<\/p>\n<p>But the government needs it to be officially closed out. Or if there are unused funds on it, so we de-obligate money back to the government. It\u2019s always been the government\u2019s money, but it was allocated to a contract. And if it didn\u2019t get used, it\u2019s still going to be flagged as allocated. And so what we then can do is de-obligate that money so it goes back into the pool that they can then put on new contracts.<\/p>\n<p>So that\u2019s a big part of, you know, they like to see the de-obligations, for sure. And so that\u2019s our main process and sometimes what we do also is deal with physical files. So getting those paper contracts, scanning them, and digitizing them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> God, and then shredding the paper.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yeah. Yep, shredding lots of paper. Actually, right before the pandemic hit and then after we came back a little, I was actually on a project over at the EPA.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Really?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yep. And so they actually contacted us at Alphapointe and said, hey, I hear you guys do contract management and contract close out. We\u2019ve got a storage room full of papers that we need to figure out what\u2019s going on. And so I spent what was going to be a year, but then 15 months of furlough with the pandemic it turned into a little bit longer. But I went through, and I got all that cleared out for them, and they were just so happy about it. And some of those contracts, I think, were older than I am.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I know, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> I was like, I think this was written on a typewriter. And I was able to do that because I had a CCTV. And so I was able to look at those documents and find all the information. We deal with dollars and dates, that\u2019s our main thing. And so I did that and then, actually, right when I came back over to being on campus at Alphapointe from the EPA project, Ken, who was in charge of the CMS department actually put in his two weeks\u2019 notice to leave for another job, right when I got back. I was like, oh my gosh, how\u2019s this going to go?<\/p>\n<p>And we had just had somebody pass away, so our department had shrunk, and it was kind of floundering a little bit. And so I actually then got offered the position to become the supervisor. And so then I moved up to that, and now I head up the CMS department.<\/p>\n<p>And then just this year, for the Navy, we de-obligated $3 billion back to the Navy\u2019s pool of money just because it was either services where they maybe didn\u2019t have somebody that month or, for example, that contract for us that we work on is a labor contract. So we have three specialists, and we have a clerk, but all of those people have to have clearance. And so there might be some months, like this past year, we were waiting on our clerk to get clearance. So we couldn\u2019t bill, obviously, for that position. So that money could be obligated back to the government. It was just unused funds.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And the clerk there would be someone working with the federal government.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Because they couldn\u2019t find someone with clearance, they couldn\u2019t pay that person and fill that position. And de-obligating is sort of a fancy way of saying deallocating it, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Absolutely, yeah. And actually, I just found out this week that the clerk\u2019s clearance came through. So we\u2019re going to be fully billing that contract next month. So yeah. And then we actually, even this last year, had a project with the Navy hospital in Guam. And let me tell you, that time difference makes communication harder. But it was an interesting experience doing the different types of closeout.<br \/>\nAnd then what we really are trying to do is then branch out into the private and commercial, you know, outside of the government, because there\u2019s plenty, like I\u2019m in Kansas City where there\u2019s a big old<\/p>\n<p>Honeywell and they have all sorts of government contracts with engineering and all those kinds of things. And so we could branch out to that, or into colleges and hospitals and do grant closeouts.<br \/>\nWe\u2019ve been kind of trying to figure out how we get into maybe some auditing because these are going to be positions that are going to be better paying jobs for visually impaired people. They\u2019re good salaries and it\u2019s something you can live on and thrive on. And that\u2019s, I mean, I just bought a house.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Yes!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> And I never, I never would have thought that was going to happen. But yeah, I just bought a house. I closed on August 1st.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Congratulations. Oh my gosh, just a couple of months ago.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah<\/strong>: Yes. It has a beautiful screened in porch, so I just need the weather to cooperate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Yes. Well I just want to say congratulations on your, well, first of all, on your purchasing of your first home. But congratulations on the supervisory position.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Thanks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> So often I think people feel like, oh, we\u2019re being good Samaritans.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yes, charity.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> We\u2019re doing people like Hoby and Rebekah favors, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Nobody\u2019s doing us a favor, we work for this. And that\u2019s what\u2019s so great about this opportunity with Alphapointe that you\u2019re describing. You earned that supervisory role. You earned it fair and square. And doesn\u2019t it feel good, then we can start, you know, you were talking about theater earlier, we can start to give back to causes that we totally believe in.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yeah, and we\u2019re not living paycheck to paycheck.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yeah, it\u2019s been amazing. And there\u2019s no way, just from my experience trying to get a job in the private sector, there\u2019s no way I would be making as much as I\u2019m making now, anywhere else. Because even some of my sighted friends, I\u2019m like, you\u2019re not getting valued. How in the world would I be valued if you\u2019re not even getting your true value?<br \/>\nIt\u2019s so hard. And you have to fight for yourself.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> You do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> And you have to advocate for yourself. And that\u2019s what, even just since becoming the supervisor, I then now am head of the NAEPB CMS Services Committee with the other nonprofit agencies, and we kind of meet once a month to talk about like, our goal is, yes, to grow the business. To get more clients, to get more customers. But our goal in doing that, the real reason is so that we can hire more blind people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And you know what? How does a blind person feel, who\u2019s working as your direct report, to be reporting in to another blind person?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Absolutely. And you feel comfortable asking them questions and that they\u2019re going to understand. I mean, even on my team, we\u2019re all blind in different ways. One of us doesn\u2019t use a cane, two of us do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And who cares, really? You\u2019re just great people who happen to be blind, we said that earlier in the show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yep. And that\u2019s one of the first things I wanted to do when I became the supervisor, is to get us to be remote because that then opens up the field and makes it easier. I mean, just saving on transportation. It\u2019s so much more expensive as a visually impaired person with transportation. And so being able to hire somebody that doesn\u2019t have to be able to get to the building.<br \/>\nAnd so now I have, you know, one of my employees is in Wichita, but we still meet once a week and we chit chat. We miss out on the in-person office banter, but that\u2019s what Teams is for. And so now we have this ability to get on a call, and it\u2019s a small team so we can chit chat for a bit. Sometimes our meeting is more checking in on each other than it is actual business, but that helps us be a better team.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> It\u2019s so important. Culture is everything and that connection is so important.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I could talk to you for hours. I love what you\u2019re saying. We\u2019re just about out of time here but I have two more questions that I really want listeners to be inspired by from what you have to say about them.<br \/>\nSo a lot of our listeners are people who are thinking about taking that first step of getting off of Social Security income and getting into the workplace. What advice do you have for those individuals?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> And that was something that was kind of frustrating when I was first, right before I was unemployed and when I was trying to figure it out. When I was trying to contact various services on the Kansas side, they basically would tell me, well, if you went to part time or if you quit your job, you could get some services. And I\u2019m like, isn\u2019t that not the point?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> That hurts.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> It\u2019s not that I want to live off of the government. There just might be some supplemental help you can get to make up for that gap if I was not visually impaired. It\u2019s to fill in the gap. And it changes how you view yourself, how you feel about yourself. And in the beginning, it might be nice to live off Social Security and not have to go to work every day. But come on, we can\u2019t all, as much as we say we\u2019d love to just stay home in bed for a week, it gets old.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> It gets totally old.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> And it starts to make you feel bad about yourself. You start to be a little bit more shut in, not getting out and doing those things. And I think, really, getting out and getting off of that and getting into positions where you\u2019re earning that money, really gives you ownership of that. And it makes you feel more empowered and more like you can do this. And it opens up doors and it allows you to meet other people, especially if you\u2019re working at some of the agencies.<\/p>\n<p>Some of the best ideas of ways to adapt or, hey, have you heard about this app? Or when podcasts and audiobooks first became a thing, it was amazing because I was a big reader back before. And then I was just devastated when I couldn\u2019t physically read books anymore. And then even trying to read them on a Kindle got hard. And now I think I\u2019ve earned all the badges on Audible, I\u2019ve read all the books. And so it makes it to where you just feel better about yourself and also believe in yourself more. You know what I mean?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> It gives you the courage to do other things as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And it raises your own expectations of yourself.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Absolutely, yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And the other type of listener that I think could really benefit from what you have to say, is family members of blind relatives who are so worried about Johnny going to get a job. Is this going to be okay? How is this going to work? What advice would you give them? And how did your family deal with it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yeah, I\u2019m a prime example of that because undiagnosed, they don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with me and there\u2019s no family history. So there\u2019s no experience in my family of dealing with any type of vision loss other than age related. And so it was not only a learning experience for me as the blind person, but it has been a continuous learning process for my family. And it continues because it is degenerative. And so it\u2019s not like you learn it and you\u2019re done and it\u2019s not going to change. Mine has continued to get worse, and so we all have to keep adapting.<\/p>\n<p>And yes, my parents were definitely worried about me living by myself and buying a house, even though I\u2019m almost 40. And that\u2019s understandable. Everybody has that fear of the unknown. That\u2019s what the fear of the dark is. That\u2019s what, sometimes, being visually impaired is, is just fear of what you can\u2019t see and what isn\u2019t out there. And so, that happens with the sighted people as well, the fear of how do I help my loved one? How do I be a better support?<\/p>\n<p>You don\u2019t want to be over protective or overdo it to where then you\u2019re limiting them. You want to support them so that you\u2019re lifting them up and not holding them down. And so my family has really had to learn how to do that and how to help me be a better person in spite of my vision loss, with my vision loss. And my life went in a completely different direction than it would have if I was sighted.<br \/>\nAnd you know what? I\u2019m okay with that. I love doing theater. I really enjoy my job and getting to be a part of creating more jobs for other visually impaired and educating people just by doing things that normal people wouldn\u2019t think of.<\/p>\n<p>Another hobby of mine is knitting and crocheting. And everybody is like, well how do you do that when you can\u2019t see? And it\u2019s like, well, you learn how to do it differently. I do it by feel. I do it by texture. I just made, I think, five different stuffed animal sharks for my niece and nephews, and they think it\u2019s so cool that I can do it. And they want me to teach them how to crochet. And so I\u2019m educating that next generation as well of Aunt Becca is Aunt Becca. She can\u2019t see very well, but she\u2019s still Aunt Becca.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I love that. God, you\u2019re just making my day because this is exactly what people need to hear.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah<\/strong>: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And we are so much a part of that education that needs to happen. We need to take the bull by the horns in so many ways, and do that teaching ourselves. And it\u2019s more work for us to have to show our family who says, \u201cOh, my God, how are you going to do that?\u201d It\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Showing them the little things that help, like when I bought a washer and dryer, I made sure that I bought a washer and dryer that had black buttons with white writing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> And my sister is a dentist, so I know she\u2019s got a steady hand. So I\u2019m going to have her come over with some puff paint and put some Braille on things. And it\u2019s just been eye opening, I think, for all of us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And I just want to make one quick comment about the washing machine and dryer that you mentioned. We are only as disabled as technology and appliances and everything in this world make us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I would not say that we are disabled, but we can\u2019t sometimes use our washer because they don\u2019t think about that in the manufacturing process.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> So think of us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Exactly. And it is, it\u2019s amazing how much it is getting better. But right now, I think another challenge in that area is, okay, that\u2019s awesome and thank you for making it better. But could you not make it also twice as expensive?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> So I had the option between a smart washer dryer and what I refer to as a dumb washer and dryer. And I was like, you know what? I can deal with the dumb ones, because it\u2019s twice as expensive. And that\u2019s where the correct use of supplemental government programs is. It\u2019s to make up for that gap so that you can get the smart washer and dryer and make your life just a little bit easier.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> 100%. Well, we are right at time, but I want to ask you, what have I not asked that you want the listeners of the Heard and Empowered podcast to know?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Just that it\u2019s an old cliche saying, but it\u2019s still true that where there is a will, there is a way. Your way just might be different, and that\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> And, Rebecca, is it okay if we put your contact information up on the episode in the show notes just so that if someone has a question or if someone needs a little assistance, they can reach out to you by email?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Absolutely, yeah. And just also, they\u2019re out there, as I said, coming from a family that had no vision impairment, no issues like that, we never had to know about the services that are out there. So I didn\u2019t even know, I\u2019ve lived in the Kansas City area my entire life and had no idea Alphapointe was there. And so it\u2019s getting the word out there.<br \/>\nAnd that\u2019s what being an advocate is, because even just through theater I had a friend whose dad had a stroke and lost his vision due to it. And so he was able to come to me and say, hey, he\u2019s depressed. How can we get him up and going and out of the house and make him more independent? Because losing vision as an adult is so hard. It\u2019s so hard because you just, it\u2019s that frustration of knowing what you\u2019re missing out on and knowing what you used to be able to do. You have to motivate yourself. You can still do it, you\u2019re just going to do it differently.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> I feel so lucky that I was born totally blind, I\u2019ve got to be honest.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> I know, sometimes I wonder. I\u2019m like, do I wish I didn\u2019t know what I was missing out on? But yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> Right. Well, Rebekah, thank you so much for your time today.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rebekah:<\/strong> Yeah, thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hoby:<\/strong> You have just opened so many eyes and so many doors with your words of wisdom and thoughts. This is the Heard and Empowered podcast and we\u2019ve been chatting with Rebekah Grieb.<br \/>\nThanks for being a part of today\u2019s conversation. Please subscribe to ensure you never miss an episode, give us a five-star rating if we deserve it and leave a review. Even just one word will help others discover the game-changing content of our show. For more information and free downloadable resources, visit heardandempowered.org. That\u2019s H-E-A-R-D A-N-D E-M-P-O-W-E-R-E-D dot O-R-G. 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